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Andre Lima

12.03.2008

Andre Lima
From Brasi them, 15 years ago, Andre Lima emigrated in the United States in quality of champion of martial limbs and black belt in two various styles: taekwondo (6° degree) - its specialty - and karate. In 2005 third black belt in the brazilian received its ju jitsu from Rigan Machado.
Lima incarnated the perfect one "american dream", dream American. It arrived in the USA with four hundred dollars in pocket; during its first year it worked delivering peaks to Cultiver City, in California, to the guide of one old machine in a sorry state. It divided one very small bedroom with five friends to Venice Beach: it has confidato to us that, during that year, he was he to sleep for earth.
Fifteen years after, Lima guides a Hummer and is owner of various houses to Los Angeles and Phoenix (Arizona). It has acquired and affittato, close to the same quarter where it delivered to the peaks some year before, all these property, except the house from two million dollars where they live Lima and its family. Succeeding of all manages from 11 years one of the schools of martial limbs with greater California, with one medium frequency of 350 students to the year, and you standard tutt' hour. Its moglie, Chris Lima, anch' Brazilian it, and their daughter, Aycha Lima is both black belts of taekwondo: they lead entirety is the real estate enterprise that that one of the martial limbs.
Its history speaks about hard job and sacrifices, perseveranza and, above all, dedication. Coming from a humble village in the north of Brasi they, have travelled all over the world (25 Countries), living in France and Portugal before arriving in California: she represents all the e'migre' Brazilians negli United in order to teach the martial limbs. Andre Lima as soon as has ended to turn "Beyond the ring", a film that will be distributed next (in video cassette) and that it is based on the history of its life. "Beyond the ring" has one indeed only weft and of the scenes of martial combats mozzafiato. Lima recites in "Beyond the ring" interpreting if same flank to flank with Gary Busey, Patrick Swayze, Martin Kove and others star. In this interview its reveals us interesting opinions on the future of the mma (mixed martial arts) and of the bjj (brazilian ju jitsu) and increase of the number of Brazilian instructors speaks to us also about the impressive who emigrate in the USA and that they open schools of bjj in all the Country.
- As they have been its debuts in the martial limbs and like it has begun to practice the bjj? "I have begun with the taekwondo to Brasilia - the understood one them of Brasi they - in 1978; my family has lived lì for some year. To the age of 16 years I have obtained the black belt and in the following years my family has moved itself in our State of origin pointed out on the ocean, of Ceara name. Laggiù not was no school of taekwondo; I have opened before quand' I was indeed much young person. "Today, ce they are some more than 40 in all the State and some of these currently are managed from some of my black belts of Years Eighty, between which there are some national champions. During the years that I have lived to Ceara, I have decided to learn the karate ones shotokan while I continued in the practical one of the taekwondo. Since these two limbs have of the techniques in common, have obtained the black belt fastly and have fought also in local tornei. Later on, I have decided to change and from the karate ones they are interested to me to the bjj and my first instructor of bjj has been the master Knows: he had learned the bjj from the Gracie family in Years ` 50. Today he has withdrawn himself, but its Sazinho son standard still to Ceara. "I have practiced the bjj in order little more than a year and then they are transferred to me to Paris, where I have dedicated all the my time to the taekwondo. They are remained in France a year, teaching and competing in tutt' Europe. In the 1990 they have arrived in the United States and, in January of 1996, I have recommenced with the bjj together the Machado siblings. Me also they are trained with various black belts that had come to contact with the bjj in my school during the years. The bjj it is not my specialty, but I have competed with succeeding various times and have arrived second to the Pan American in 2002 (after four encounter). In 2005, Rigan Machado has promoted to me to black belt and has taught brazilian ju jitsu to some of the my students black belt of tae kwon gives for many years ".
- Qual' is its opinion on purpose of the numerous Brazilian instructors who have come to teach in the USA? "they have arrived in the United States before that the mixed arrived you martial arts and is amazing to state as it is changed all. I did not have idea that the Brazilian techniques could become therefore popular, neither that that could generate a question of Brazilian instructors and open a great market therefore. To be a Brazilian instructor today involves much prestige, and it is known: the United States are one opportunity earth. If work hardly and you have a good turned mind to make transactions, you can lead one style of life from ` solid medium class americana'. "All this is a lot attractive for the Brazilians; Brasi they are a great Country, beautiful and exotic, but not there are many deep ones for the martial limbs. Since many instructors and combatants have come here and have found the happened one, many others have follow them: many of they believe that here it is a gold mine, but they do not become account of how much job and hard work they are necessary in order to emigrate. For this reason many arrive, disilludono and they return fastly behind ". - its school of martial limbs in California has much happening. Which is its philosophy on the job? "Per.primo.cosa I want to say that the students are not single students. They are ` clienti' and the master must more be like a businessman nowadays. For to have happened must know as your customers reason, than what wants your students; for this not draft more than like you desires to teach, but of as they want to learn. Our product is the martial limbs. It works as always the instruction in past has worked, but hour is the approach that is various. It must be professional and to have a program adapted for every single case. Some students want to learn self-defense, others want to maintain themselves in shape, an other group want to compete. The function of the succeeding instructor of is to allow every student to catch up its objective ".
- Which is, second she, the main difference between the schools of martial limbs in Brasi them and in the United States and how much it is difficult to know to adapt the instruction method? "In Brasi they, 70% of the persons who practice martial limbs have between the 12 and the 28 years: this is one wraps of age much competitive one, especially in a culture that proposes the figure of the ` macho'. Therefore it is natural that in Brasi them the percentage of those who wants to compete is leggermente greater. In the USA, 70% of the persons whom they practice martial limbs have between the 4 and the 12 years and the parents mainly are interested to their educational discipline. The remaining students are adult between the 25 and 50 years and are more focus to you on fitness and the well-being. Because of these diversities, many Brazilian instructors have come in the USA, they have opened a school similar to those of their cities of origin and they are themselves finds again with solo 30 or 40 students to you. Many schools of bjj fight because they make hard work to recognize that the culture is various here, because the customers Americans have one less competitive nature. A bag of things that work in Brasi them, has not happened here. For this it must understand the culture for being able to make of the adjustments in just the way to teach ". - It is saying that the Americans have fear to fight? "Absolutely not! This of a Country cannot be said that has gone in war therefore many times. That that I am trying to say is that, for the American ` medio', the idea of the physical comparison or the combat of road societies have been presses from one ` protettiva'. In the USA, the less one is you fight to you, more is come accepted: the Americans have fear of being pursue themselves from the law. The persons have fear of the processes indeed because here the legal system is efficient. Of other part, in Brasi they are not equally organized, the laws have much make them, the police are underpaid and, many times, corrupt. The road combats much more are accepted from one similar culture: you must yourself be entrusted little to the system and more to same you in order to resolve the problems ". - In 90 Years ` it has worked like writer and photographer for various reviews, between which Samurai. Com' has happened and like never it has stopped? "I have two hobby: the first one is the guns - loves to talk nonsense with my Sig Sauer - and the second is the photography. I love to release with my Canon. When they are transferred to me from Paris to the United States, a former-director of the French review Karate bushido has asked to me if I could photograph some practicing of martial limbs here, in California. E' therefore that I have begun, for case. Soon I have begun to work for of the reviews in Germany, Spain, Italy, England, Australia, Brasi them, etc... I have made for approximately ten years, have interviewed various great masters and combatant in the World and many of they they ended on the places setting some. To a sure point I have worked also for Bodybuilding and in the last years I worked alone with star cinematographic, like Tom Cruise, Dustin Hoffman, Danny Glover, Olivia Newton-John, Van Damme, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, and many others... "Ill-fatedly I have had to interrupt in 2002 because my school of martial limbs and the real estate enterprise occupied all the my time". - could name Me some names of the personalities of the world of the martial limbs that has interviewed? "I name those people of which me memory here, on the moment: the siblings Machado, Dan Inosanto, Benny Urquidez, Bill Wallace, Dan Severn, Mark Dacascos, Bob Wall, Mark Ruas, Don Wilson, Cynthia Rothrock, etc... I have interviewed five members of the Gracie family: Helio, Rorion, Royce, Rickson and the last one, Carson Gracie. "All they are phenomenal in whom they make, but I consider Arnold Schwarzenegger the person who to more has made an impression me in absolute up to now. I have interviewed two times: in 1992 and 1996. E' an immigrant and, like me and many others, arrived in this Country with nothing. Arnold carried all to the successive level. Per.primo.cosa divenne the better one bodybuilder than always, then the star of the able cinema of sbancare the box office; today he is the governor of California. And one knows as politics work: in the same moment in which it crosses the income, automatically you will not appeal to to the fifty for hundreds of those who finds within. That it acts well or badly in politics, me however has hit ".
- Where it has seen to diffuse the bjj? "To world-wide level, there is more than a million than persons who train themselves with the bjj and is a good beginning. The greater part of practicing is in Brasi them and in the USA. There are approximately others 25 Countries that are interested some, but many of they have only or two schools, therefore they must still grow until to having more arenas and one local federation. A sport is developed therefore. The bjj it must be still diffused in various and farther Countries, but that demands still many years. Perhaps E' along process that demands much dedication so that obtains an international acknowledgment and, a day, being recognized from international the olympic Committee. I believe that nel.giro.di.i next 10 years we will have a better perception than as he could be the evolution of the bjj; now it is a fashion, we are right in the middle an age. ` the age of the mixed martial arts', like whichever other thing, cannot always last in order. And when this trend puts into effect will be finished them, then we will understand if the bjj it will have a great continuation or if it is destined to remain small ".
- Of that what needs the bjj in order to become one olympic sport? "For being accepted to olympic Giochi, a sport must be practiced in all the Continents and a hundred of Countries. Everyone of these Countries must have one official federation, recognized from the national government. In order to form a national federation, various schools or associations in various parts of the Country are necessary, that the same rules operate second. That needs at least 25 or 30 years for being able to happen. 27 years to the taekwondo are intentional in order to enter to the Olympic Games, and the taekwondo it has practicing 35 million. The karate ones have 20 million and still ce it has not made it, because of the differences the inside of its styles. The kung it was is being approached: it will be introduced like demonstrative sport to the next Olympic Games China-2008. If the bjj it takes this direction, it will need of an incisive reform in its structure and organization since - perhaps just for its type of approach to the ` macho man' - is often a lot disorganized. If it is assisted to a torneo of bjj, of karate or judo the difference in the organization methods can be testified. In the transactions, it does not import that you are the best one or most tenacious; if you do not know to organize itself, it does not arrive from no part ".
- Which is its opinion on purpose of the fast spread of the bjj in the USA? "it is arriving in all the Country, the small cities, and will still grow a little more, but task cannot grow as well as as it asserts someone, exaggerating. We know as the bjj he can be effective and useful for the strengthening of the respect of the law, for the soldiers and a great number of persons, but when we speak about increase we must hold account that the bjj has a problem of connected identity to it. "the reasons that have rendered the bjj popular are the same ones that of it refrains the spread. It comes considered from the American-type extreme a martial art; they associate the bjj with the combats between prisoners, because he is that whom they see in tv. Sappiamo that the bjj it can more offer very, but in the head of people there is a nexus with the violence, and only one small fraction of gets passionate you of martial limbs wants to practice what they think to be one ` style estremo'. Many persons and parents do not want that their children have null to that to make with the bjj and react to this propaganda. E' be the same one with kickboxing or the thai boxe: the persons love to see it in television, but least they want to then practice it and the `uomo medio', in this Country, she will be enrolled more easy to schools than karate or of kung it was rather than to arenas than boxe or of bjj. "the Americans are, under many aspects, expectable and conformisti but - also knowing this they limit - creed that the future of the bjj in the USA will be luminous, especially because nearly all the best masters are it immigrates to you here from Brasi them in order to teach. This fact makes the difference, above all in terms of technical level: it is probable that in the next decade the Americans will be in a position to overwhelming the difference with the Brazilians in Sample you of the World of bjj ".
- It can explain that what meant with "the age of the mixed martial arts"? "Anyone knows the history of the martial limbs in the United States knows here of what is speaking. In the USA we are in the third age now: before it was the age of the karate ones point fight, that it began to the end of Years ` 50 and ended to half of ` the 70. There were tornei ovunque and the ` re' of that age they were Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, Mike Stone, etc... To it the age of the kickboxing was overlapped, from Years ` 70 to the first ` 90: some famous names of the time were super Bill ` foot' Wallace, Benny ` the jet' Urquides and many others. "In first Years Ninety it is begun was of the mma, than probably 7-10 will last others years. The history of the martial limbs is constituted from ` ondate', than they are repeated in continuation. He is it was of the point fight that that one of the kickboxing lasted approximately 20 years. That one of mma the beginning in 1993 with the Ufc and hour is in the phase of high wave, but it will still grow more in next the two years. We find ourselves to three quarters of was, than for the previous ages it was the impegnativo period; the mma they will be obsolete in 2015 and they will be R-fuori.moda because other will succeed in qualcos' to replace them, something more exciting, but not necessarily more violent. "This is my vision in the long term".
- Therefore it believes that the mma they will not become part of the tradition in the USA? "the violent nature of the exhibitions, in order to entertain the public, is a part of the problem, because it renders difficult to catch up a public to level of families, instead that that one of the fan extreme. The mma one is already equipping in that sense, but we must understand that in the United States three sports are alone consider you indeed main and ` tradizionali': the football, basket and the baseball. It can are given that soccer can be received between these sports in the course of next the 10 years, and also the golf could follow the same road, because there are million practicing. "In order to become traditional sport, a sport must be amusing for the children and for their parents, it must be adapted to the transmissions tv and to attract varies to you ` dollaroni' of publicity. The medium individual must be able to understand the sport, also without to practice it. A sport has indeed succeeded when people the practical one to school and in the college, to house in just the garage, with a neighbor or to the park. Moreover, these persons want to ignite the television and to be able to see athletes professionals to make the million dollars practicing same sports. That justifies the style of inspired life to it and generates the need for the advertising ones to enter in contact with their customers. The main sports are made therefore and a sport has need of stability for ` joining all these puntini'. "the mma they are a world to part, with their only culture. More realistic E' to assert that mma they have known to capture the attention of just the Country of origin therefore as has known to make the wrestling ".
- What means all that for the young people that they dream to become the next champions of mma? "Not all, but the greater part of the combatants of mma is mercenari, focuses to you on two things: moneies and reputation, like understood of the rest to very many athletes professionals. Not there is nothing of mistaken in this, but since the mma they are a new sport, not is an adapted structure for being able to reward all the athletes. "Personally, creed that they deserve more moneies because they put in scene a large one show. Only 1% of they take of the just compensations for the risks that run, but the appreciation from part of the public is more of the series ` 15 minuteren of fama', since comes soon forgets to you. It is not more succeeded to follow the distance of a champion, but it is believed endured: ` ah, an other champion... who will be the next one '. It remembers who was the champion of three years ago? And of eight ".
- she is saying that the champions of martial limbs are losing their value? "I believe that the time is changed for the martial limbs in a generalized manner. For every new generation of ` artists marziali', the things become more and more outside from their capacity. Internet, the average and the new ` was of the informazione' in which we are have by now diluted the image of the champion. Today a man can save ten children in one house in flames, become a hero and, the following day, not succeed to find a job. He wants much more engagement to us for being recognized and being remembered: hour you must save one Nation! And with the popolarità of reality show today and the new champions who go and come from the lights of the ribalta it is much difficult one for these champions makes a name and to remain famous to along. "a combatant of mma comes considered Bravo to second of the level demonstrated in its last encounter: it can be the best one in January, February and March but, if it loses in you open them, to July will not be more nobody. The persons, about these times, forget that fastly that you have made or the level to which you knew to fight. The champions become ` use and getta', ready to being replaced. All this makes part of 21° the century ".
- it speaks Us about the film "Beyond the ring" that he is turning. "`Beyond the ring' it is a film on the mma. I have written it first version of the script, but then it has been rewritten seven times, before that we began to turn. It is based on real accadimenti of my past, with one hollywoodiano style. The combat scenes have been turns in a way po' various regarding the rest, leaving they a pure touch in ` style mma'. What cannot be never said is in order to happen, is much authentic and realistic one. I interpret me same and creed to have done good it, because the next year I will recite also in an other film, ` Clean record' ".
- What thinks some about films puts into effect them on the martial limbs? "Some are iper-violent without no reason. Others are repetitions or remake of the same history, that we have seen already many times. E' an exceptional fact nowadays to propose new history, to here of the special effects. In a generalized manner, the hero is not therefore strong and therefore sure of himself like in films of Years ` 70 and ` 80, when the idea referred to that that a hero had truly to be: a ` protettore'. "However, today it is the much most heroic one to have itself to defend and to help. The greater part of the heroes odierni is ` vittime'. People love losing now: costoro they can only become violent after that times have been various puttinges to the wall, when draft, therefore, of one self-defense issue. In varied ways the bad one becomes more important in the weft because it must be more ingenuous, more intelligent and, apparently, more fort. Recently new version of the hero is been born one, than the persons they are learning more and more to appreciate: R-he who loses, or that quite it dies, for one cause. "Creed we could call it ` martire' and we find again it in film like: ` Million dollar baby', ` the last one samurai', ` Fearless' and, sure, in the series of mythical ` the Rocky'. Creed that this kind in evolution will become the most sold from Hollywood. From protecting to victims, hour the heroes will become of the martyrdoms, for being in a position to defying this `era of the reality-tv' ".