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Capuana Rosario
Class 1945, sicialian one of birth, but from Milan of adoption, is one of the pillars on which it rested the great Fesika. Its agile physicist and releasing from light weight with a grinta to make fear of a boscaiolo Finnish joined one technical essential thing and refined had made of he a personage known on the tata one me of all the world. To the times of Capuana he said himself: or second or disqualified. The contest control did not re-enter at all in its virtues. Its tsuki jodan has left trace on the faces on the faces of average world. According to, he said himself. They were in fact Samples to you World-wide, European or Italian, as it arrived in end found always someone that, more or less just, it put it under. Ended the times of the battles with the several Yahara, Willrot, Rebman, De Michelis and Montanari, Capuana it has been dedicated to the instruction, coming true itself winning more like trainer who like athlete. Equipped of the rare gift to know to recognize the winning combatants, thanks to this its dowry has become in the 1982 trainer of the national one, bringing back succeeded in European field that nobody would have never risked to preview. Today it has been withdrawn in its arena.
Interview: Master Rosario Capuana does not have need of presentations for the readers of Samurai. It has been one of the greatest agonists of the school of master Shirai and the kumite trainer of the national one of after the ephemeral unification of the karate ones Italian. In this interview he recalls that rich period, for he and all we, of satisfactions and bitterness.
- He wants to speak us about the roots of its interest for the karate ones? "you carry to Me behind in the time, and the thing makes also pleasure me. My encounter with the karate ones has happened in way much occasional one. I was in a phase - boys, it is spoken about 16-17 years - in which I had wants to make something of important in order to control the aggressiveness of my infancy, and my choice, in order to say the truth, had fallen on an arena of boxe where, when I put you foot for before the time, I saw a large one poster of a karateka. More than a karateka it was the poster of a man, beautiful a man sure, with the black belt and to torso knot, and the thing hit to me and it fascinated to me. I began my adventure in the boxe with an absolutely negative experience, because perhaps it was not what I tried, was not my way. But those poster of the karateka, every time that I entered in that arena of boxe, created in me much curiosity. I had later on the opportunity to speak with the person ritratta in those poster, than in that karate arena of boxe it held course of. It was Giampiero Parma, the most particular, most curious subject, that it had the merit to stimulate my fantasy. Later I tried an arena where you could begin a course of karate and jumped outside the Bu-sen, a most famous from Milan arena, where at the moment there was the cult of the judo and where they wanted to try that new experience of the karate ones and they inserted a course to which I had the possibility to enroll to me. As teaching there was Abbruzzo Angel, with which truly I have had a splendid relationship and that, I do not know in order which reason, after a year abandoned the Busen and subentrò the Luciano Panciroli. Abbruzzo, a lot honestly, said to me: "Rosary, I must go via. You can make what you want, but I council to try one to you arena. If you want I to master Shirai introduce you ". Lì for lì I me did not feel because I was sentimentalmente much legacy to the Busen, but when me they are shrewed that Panciroli put to me lì to fargli from assistant, that was also rewarding but little useful for my technical progress, had to take conscience that was not just more the case than to continue. Therefore I contacted Abbruzzo Angel to which he carried me in via Piacenza, I met master Shirai and lì practically he began my adventure in the karate ones ".
- I have often felt to repeat that the type of training that was made then was the much hardest one than today. "Absolutely yes! They were of the training that practically carried to one natural selection of the athletes. Those that they succeeded to exceed a sure threshold of adversity, problems, pain, of hard work, passed beyond; those that ce did not make it remained from this part. They were absolutely hard, hard, hard training, from a point of view not only psychical physicist but also. I must dirti that master Shirai has had various vintage years of its better athletes, various brooded. In effects it, beginning with this type of natural selection, was in a position to manifacturing of blots some from combat. This was its fine and creed that to the fine ones there was successful, and very often succeeded to us with the several generations of karateka that they are succedute ".
- it can speak to Me about its interest for the agonismo and about the first important contest that it disputed? "my interest for the agonismo was a natural, instinctive interest, ago part of mine I. Probably I had in mine dna this predisposition to the agonismo, tant' I am true that I have developed in all the sports to it. I played to soccer from boy and my trainer said that we always played in twelve, because I ran for two. When I have made that experience in the boxe, a day, after little months of training, our instructor outside carried us in one true arena of boxe Milan. We were 3 or 4 children of this poor arena and us to comparison with of the boxers, do not say true, but nearly. I memory very well, have a flash of that experience that has been therefore shocking that after 45 years I still do not succeed in scordarmela. Everyone of we salted and made three minuteren with the caschetto. It arrived my turn, it played gong and I catapultai on that athlete who I had of forehead and I began to fill up it of cazzotti. I do not know that race of cazzotti was, but they seized to me endured and they explained to me that it was not therefore that was made. They tranquilized to me, still played the gong and I remained lì calm, trying to set up the match as they had said to make to me. I only felt of the large ones stung that they arrived to me on the head and did not understand more nothing until did not make to play of new the gong. It was truly this experience that upsot me much and made yes that you abandoned the idea of the boxe, because, I thought, if I make way mine I obtain of turns out to you, if I make in traditional way, classic, therefore as the discipline imposes to you, evidently they are not cut for this. "With the karate contests of I have begun after a year that I trained myself in the arena of master Shirai, Abbruzzo me telephones to house an evening and it says to me: ` Rosary, you have the passport ' I answer it of yes. ` Then he watches that there is from making one competition internazionale'. I was belt brown, figured. It had happened that the national square, of which I did not know neanche the existence, made the collegiale for the European Championship of Graz, and I do not know cos' has happened between Falsoni and Balzarro, one must have broken the hand to the other. All and two out of service, therefore have had to call two athletes in extremis, one I was and the other was Ferrari. They called to us and we went to Graz. On tata to me master Shirai the belt removed me brown and it put to me on the black belt. My first encounter I disputed it with an English, Terry O' Neill. I watched the old ones, there was Parisi, Ottaggio, and I asked: "Luciano, but this com' is here" "You go calm, is most approachable". In fact (but I have only known it after) was the European champion in loads. To the first encounter they have entered to it with maegeri and to the end I have won. The Italian square has gained the title European it and I have arrived third party ".
- Which were later on its successes more meant to you? "Of successes of it I have had many, but those that memory with more satisfaction are sure sample European and world-wide squares to you, above all those of kata, because I always have been a fighter: a kumite encounter of I interpreted it in enough natural, instinctive way, always found myself to my comfort. To have to me to manage in an execution of shapes, and above all to have to make it with others, created me of the large difficulties. Therefore it is sure a fact that it fills up me of gratification, knowing that I was not carried to the kata one, successful being also in this discipline to primeggiare and above all to make it in the shape to squares, that it is that one of maximum difficulty. "the more important encounter that I have disputed? It is always that one, of it I have one only fixed in head and unfortunately I will not succeed never to forget it to me. I have lost three ends of I sample to you European with Haendel but not me absolutely null memory, has not left no sign me. The encounter that instead has left within of me I furrow much deep one has been to Samples to you world-wide of Los Angeles of 1975, with the champion of the world in loads, Tanaka. There were two athletes for nation, Tanaka and Mori for Japan, I and De Michelis for Italy, and insomma to the end of the first day characterize the two Japanese, the two Italians, the two Germans, an American and a Brazilian. To the first turn of the quarters to me he touched Tanaka while to De Michelis he touched Moors. If you want you the story, even if I do not know if of I speak with it appeal to or with large sorrow. In this first encounter the two prescribed minuteren end and I was in advantage of a chui. Me memory that is intentional very 17 minuteren in order to take one decisone. The wills have gathered to the center of the tata one to me and have discussed for 17 minuteren on the judgment to give to the term of that encounter. 17 minuteren are an eternity, than what they will have been said? Perhaps, indeed probably, they have spoken about the fact that never it had not succeeded that a western athlete struck a Japanese. To the end of the 17 minuteren the wills resume their position and the Hedlund Swede, the arbitrator centers them, hisses. Two wills give the Victoria to me, two wills give the balancing. It was decisive the opinion of Hedlund and it has given the balancing, therefore we have gone to the repetition of the encounter. But I have a flash of what he has happened: of forehead to we there was the theater box on which the large names of the karate ones were seated Japanese and formed like a grape bunch, with Nakayama in top. After the first encounter, that it finished in balancing, all came down from the first theater box these, will have been 7 or 8 Japanese masters. They went lì from Tanaka, you know, with their way to speak. Sure they were not content, gliene they said of cooked and raw. And instead behind of me who I had? The memory with great sympathy, I had Naito that sure to level of prestige was not worth how much they. We have ended the second additional encounter that still finished in balancing, then after comes down down the second row of Japanese from the theater box, finished to the third party encounter, comes down the third row from the theater box, insomma practically I have had the satisfaction to have pulls them to you all down. I can say that the encounter every time is ended in balancing because the wills have given equal, but if it is ended in balancing it is sure because I had gained them all. To the seventh repeated encounter Tanaka one invented mawashigeri with the front leg and in effects those seventh encounter gained it regularly. This is my large satisfaction, to have made to shake the Jka ".
- Like never decided to teach in its turn? He remembers as they were then the course instructors? "Ah, has been a chance also lì, is not that I have decided it. I was first black belt dan, even than good perspectives, and a day master Shirai says: "Rosary, you go to teach". I? I did not think myself to the height, I had not never made a course instructors, because to the age they did not exist any still. Master Shirai sent its better students to teach. However I accepted to teach in this arena, the Club Hiroshi Shirai di Quarto Oggiaro. The owner was Of Bariums, with which I have had an optimal relationship. From that arena athletes of national level have come outside also, with which also we have gained a title Italian it. Of Bariums he always had for me of the great attentions, nearly me coccolava. I was a child but it made me partecipe of its interests. As an example mine had need of a house and it succeeded in procurarmi this apartment. I have begun lì to teach, turns out to you me seemed good and therefore I held this arena for several years, then me introduced a Borelli day that had one culturismo arena. It proposed to me to open a field karate and therefore we opened this new arena in way Born them Battaglia, until master Shirai it called with he to teach to me before in via Bezzecca and then in via Maffei. To that point obviously I se, we say therefore, in order to make it in professionistica shape ".
- Outside from the arena you met master Shirai? "For a reason or purpose personal I must say of yes. This was not a customary situation, obviously, because it was always much schivo and he did not grant these relationships to nobody of its group. But there was a group of friendships that had been come to create, with Luciano Panciroli and the Zoja that it had begun to attend, therefore was the possibility, once to the week, of usual to the saturday evening, to attend to us with these girls. There was also Luciano Impallomeni and they made these suppers to which the master was always present ". - Next to the age of the unification with the Fik it what thought some? Memory that in the federal assembly that had to decide in matter she, with little others, was abstained. "I was not absolutely favorable, because that one... in that famous assembly was not a unification is clearly that I had already matured my thought, I had understood that that one was only an absorption of the Fesika from part of the Fik and therefore, second me, not there were the conditions of parity or at least of integration in a new agency because the unification could be made. And therefore I, in polemico way (because you know that we had then to always make the accounts with master Shirai) I abstained myself: my ballot of abstention wanted to already say much ".
- Than impressions conserve of the period of the unification and its experience of trainer of the National one? "This is a question that makes me appeals to that you have turned to me. The unification was taken place, was several stage, unified contests, from which I autoesclusi for a sure period of time, for being coherent with my thought on the situation of the karate ones in that moment. I will make an example you alone: made the unification, in the first one stage that to it was karate unified there was master Basile who began its lesson, until arrived to the paradox to go up on a table with a microphone in hand and from lì explaining that what had to make. But having a microphone in hand and being on a table, it was obvious that it could not move, therefore says: ` You excuse to me if I do not succeed to demonstrate what I say, but ve I explain it, because I cannot makes to see you in this situazione'. He is clearly that for we of the Fesika that one was a tremendous shock, we accustoms to make to you so much, to work hard, to speak little and to work. Half Neanche hour after that master Basile had begun the lesson, I had taken and me I was returned some to house. Creed that had followed to me also Mountain and others three or four of we. "Until then a day, reflecting on several things, they have arrived to the point makes a question me: ` But you want truly to make something for the karate ones Italian '. And to this question I have employed a little time to answer, and when they have been truly mature in order to answer, they are said to me: ` Then that what you must make? If you want to fight, you must fight from the inside, you cannot make it from the esterno'. And then decided to resume to make part of the life of the federation. "For a reason or purpose personal I have not never had problems of compatibility with other athletes because already my style of combat was a po' to the vanguard, it was approached theirs very. From a characterial point of view instead for we of Milan to have to that making with the mentality of the ` romani' (as we called them then) was already a po' more difficult. I will remember always the first national gathering after that they have been name trainer of the unified ones. A telegram arrived me: ` You must find the such day to the such hours to the technical center of Coverciano'. I introduce myself to the established hour, creed the ten of the mattino. To the ten nobody does not arrive, to the ten and a fourth anchor nobody, ten and half, a less eleven quarter, does not arrive nobody. Then I take in hand a telephone, I call the federation and I ask: ` But excused, you have for sent case telegrams ' ` Yes, because ' ` But because here strangely not there is nessuno'. And from the other part the voice of a sure Cecconi answers me, with which then a enough beautiful relationship is been born, ` Ahò, Rosa', nun you sta' to preoccupa', mo are to arriva'!' To part these characterial aspects, from a human point of view I have then not had problems. I have them trains all practically to you, comprised the Guazzaroni siblings, but not it has been neanche the problem to amalgamate the two groups. I have seen more times that also between of they, as an example between Cavallai, Gianluca Guazzaroni and Navone splendid relationship was been born one. The problem of the various extractions did not exist more.
- When and because it has stopped to practice? "my relationship with the national one, the federation and the karate ones is collapsed, has come less in that famous European championship of Madrid, in which unfortunately we have made a most ugly figure in the comparisons of the karate ones international and the other European nations. The karate ones Italian were introduced with two federations, with two national ones, and that one has been truly a moment much bitter, much ugly one, that I have lived in first person. And lì happened of all to level political, reported me that was telephone call of Pellicone to Delcourt, that entire pages of a charter of the European federation were stracciate in order to avoid that the national one of the Fikteda participated instead of that one recognized from the Cones, and therefore ratified the new charter at the moment in order to make this military coup. I us remained malissimo, me immedesimai in the spirit of the boys: to see this disappointment in their eyes and their hearts after that they had poured blood and sweat for days of stage preparing itself for the European championship, to arrive end in order to remain seated here in tribune. And this was a too much great blow for my character, than it could not not leave a sign important, and has been this that has motivated my abandonment of the karate ones ".
- Between the training companions who remembers with particular sympathy? "Sure Luciano Panciroli, with which I have had an optimal relationship that went also al.di.là.del karate in how much, in a demonstration of judo and karate organized from master Barioli to Borgomanero, knew two girls, the two judoka that they were lì also they to make demonstration, and an evening we have made the rape of the Sabine. One of these girls has become my moglie, while it is not successful to carry a.termine the relationship. "You keep in mind then that to the age there were 4 persons who have passed a part of their life daily together. I, Mountain dwellers, Fugazza, Tammaccaro and to the beginning also Beghetto were. There was the tightest tie between of we, because when you make training to the 7 of morning, then to the 10 of morning, then to the 12 and half, then to the 4 of the afternoon and therefore you have passed to nearly all the day together, then everyone it took its ag and it went in its arena to teach, and this happened every day of the year. I these persons the reputavo like siblings, could not have a various image of their person who that one of a relationship much strait, like what you have with a brother ".
- Between its students who remembers with greater esteem and affection? "there are athletes who have given truly a lot to me because they have maintained the continuity with what I had set up: we leave from Luciano Conte, that it is what door ahead my karate and my arena. Then is Silvio Tschang, that it is an other of that I call the "fallen of Spain", of Madrid, victims of that famous situation. Also it of is exited upset and from then he does not have more intentional to feel to speak than karate. Tschang was an athlete who could truly have given a lot. I can dirti that also in the national one there were of the athletes with which I have had one splendid relationship. On they I could count in every situation and I knew that they would not have betrayed to me: task to Gianluca Guazzaroni and Maurizio Cavallari. The only European championship juniores that we have gained we have won it with they, to Rome ".
- It was famous as a geloso master and demanding, able to send via the students if they lacked too much to some lesson. perhaps "On the fact of the jealousy creed... was not be a matter of a unconscious fact. On the fact of the presences yes, this is one what in which creed a lot. I memory always the first times when I have begun to make karate, made a job that he carried to me in turn for Italy. I made of the deliveries for my father with the truck. Me memory that I went via the monday and I carried the ag on the truck, because I knew that I would have arrived even the evening than Wednesday, that it was the evening of the training, and many times I parked the truck just in front of the arena because I did not have the time to go to house. Therefore this wants to say to be attacks to you and to have the will in order to catch up of it objects to you. If you do not have this will and the things you make a po' them the water of roses, obviously also it turns out to you come less. I see it also in tennis: if you continue to play you render account that is one what of which nearly you cannot make less; as soon as there are of the circumstances in which you do not play for two, three weeks you become account that of that thing in bottom you can also make less. And it is this that I tried to avoid: not to never put the boy in the condition for understanding that of the karate ones he could also make less!".
- Second it which is the reason for which the karate ones she has lost part of taken its on the new generations? "Second me, to part the advertising vehicle that however is always determining, and to part the factor of the mode that a lot important is also it (today goes fashionable the body building because the child must make blow on the girl and therefore she must be made to see beautiful physically), I I believe that the karate ones modern do not have more that ascending, that fascination that could have that one once, when the spirit, the interpretation of the combat was percepibile also from the public, was more realistic, also the public tried to participate to the combat with with the athlete".
- In that way the karate ones has helped it in the life every day? He would be a various man if it had not never practiced it? "you I do not know to say sure... has influenced a lot on my mental and characterial formation. It has emphasized sure aspects of hardness of my character that are not never successful to dull. From boy I had two great passions, that one of the football and that one to make part of the bands of quarter. When I have uncovered karate they are rendered me account that the two things were incompatible and therefore me this choice has been placed that has not been easy, because also in soccer I was already bravino and I had one career in front of me. To opt for karate in which still I was not the nobody has been one brave choice that I have made and that to the fine ones it has rewarded me ".

